User talk:GrampaSwood/Archive1

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Community (quality)

Hello, if you could translate this article to Dutch (updated) I think it would be really awesome because it's one that I worked on a lot and I am interested in your language. :)-- Akolyth (talk) 19:00, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Yeah sure, I'll get to it tomorrow morning, I'm really tired right now because it's 22:14 but I'll get on it tomorrow. GrampaSwood (talk) 20:14, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello GrampaSwood!

Thanks so much for your help. I have realized that now --Doktorjan 09:03, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

CC

Hey, although I'm glad to see people translating wiki pages into Dutch, you really should pay more attention to basic grammar - you're getting basic verbs wrong in some of your translations. Sleepybird (talk) 04:43, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Grammatica

Hey, er zijn een hoop pagina's waarvan de Nederlandse vertaling barst van de spelfouten, niet alleen de pagina's die door jou zijn vertaald. Het meest voorkomende probleem is volgens mij dat veel woorden die aan elkaar zouden moeten staan los worden geschreven: ik heb vandaag de pagina van de Gemuteerde melk verbeterd, waarin herhaaldelijk 'brood monster' stond in plaats van 'broodmonster'. Bijvoeglijk naamwoorden staan los - 'eng monster' zou wel los moeten staan - maar vaak zie ik foute spaties in zelfstandig naamwoorden. Ook had ik in het artikel dat ik van jou had verbeterd, die van de Millenial Mercenary, wat werkwoordspelling verbeterd. Derde persoon enkelvoud in de tegenwoordige tijd heeft natuurlijk geen stam + d. Kijk hier nog even naar: https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Millennial_Mercenary/nl&diff=prev&oldid=2386201 Sleepybird (talk) 15:46, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Iedereen maakt trouwens fouten, dus maak je geen zorgen :) Het is alleen iets om op te letten. Sleepybird (talk) 15:51, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Smissmas 2018 Nav

Sommige Smissmas 2018-voorwerpen hebben Nederlandse namen, ik ben ze aan het updaten. Weet jij toevallig hoe de nav onderaan de pagina's kan worden geüpdatet? Die geeft namelijk nog steeds de Engelse namen aan. Sleepybird (talk) 17:28, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Als het goed is dan word de nav geüpdatet via de dictionary (https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Template:Dictionary/items, deze link gaat naar de pagina met alle voorwerpen), je moet alleen wel met CTRL + F de Engelse naam opzoeken. (De Dictionary word ook gebruikt voor de {{item name/link|voorwerpnaam}}. Dat zorgt ervoor dat de naam automatisch vertaald word). GrampaSwood (talk) 18:05, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you i wasn't know what i needed to do CubeX (talk) 23:53, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Weeee!

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I was going to say that your Userpage was very French, but that's the color of Netherlands. Oops. ▪ - 18:14, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

 :( GrampaSwood (talk) 19:58, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

But your page can be very Netherlands... no? ▪ - 20:11, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes men, is very Dutch :) GrampaSwood (talk) 20:13, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

minor correction

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Prinny

Drvon (talk) 14:50, 5 March 2019 (UTC) I had gotten the Ok for my edit from Rikka, I had to wait a few days to get the key since they were sold out

Request(?)

Please make a satellite out of matchsticks. :3 Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 15:23, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

You had ONE job GrampaSwood (talk) 17:05, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Please make a satellite out of matchsticks so we can nuke spammers and vandals from orbit. VasyaTheWizard ^{(talk) • (contributions)} 12:21, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Not mine, but here's a tug boat made out of matchsticks (source) GrampaSwood (talk) 17:18, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Trivia revert

First of all, if you don't think it's trivia, fine, but that doesn't mean you should just remove my contribution, second, no it's not mentioned already on the page, Will Sagerman's name is nowhere to be found on the page, he is the creator of the viewmodel and should be credited for it — The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheKopakah (talk) • (contribs) 17:26 CEST

It's not that I don't think it's Trivia, it really isn't trivia. His name is mentioned in the infobox in the "contributed by" section. Please do not revert the edit again as it has been reverted before and might lead to punishment by :the staff.

Also please respond on your own user page next time (it's how the discussion can be followed by outsiders) and sign your comments using ~~~~
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:32, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi GrampaSwood

First of all thank you. What I meant by the question meant am I doing a good job with the translations. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by DoktorJan (talk) • (contribs) 29th of June 2019 20:35 CEST

I'm not Swedish myself, so I can't tell you. However, Steam has its own translation program called Steam Translation Server. There are 2 moderators for Swedish on there, Orange and Neargineer. You could add one of them and ask if they can review some of your translations.
GrampaSwood (talk) 18:39, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Very Swood Pics

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I hope someone does the same for me with all the icons I've been doing... Maybe when I'm done with all of them. - ▪ - 20:18, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Nice

Hi Grampa,
bla bla bla edit bla bla bla — Tark lm(pt-br) 05:48, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi lol,
bla bla bla edit bla bla bla GrampaSwood (talk) 06:00, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Stuff

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Sorry for that random criticism, there was just a lot of recent damage on a wiki page :P
GrampaSwood (talk) 18:37, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Changes redo

I would like you to redo my changes on Template:Building Specifications, you told to provide a source, the source is myself, I have discovered it. I have a recording of me doing the test. BezaoBuilder (talk) 23:25, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Redo the edit and provide a source other than "I did it". Preferably a recording.
GrampaSwood (talk) 06:57, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Ok, where should I send the recording?BezaoBuilder (talk) 16:35, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Oh, the recording is here BezaoBuilder (talk) 16:40, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

If you could edit it to include a timer showing how 1 swing decreases it by 1,5 second, 2 swings would decrease it by 2 seconds, and 3 swings would decrease it by 3 seconds. You could also show how the first hit decrease. My adobe premiere shows it off as a having 61 frames per second, but 1,25 seconds being equal to 1 second for some reason. Preferably side by side, starting on the frame you place down the Sentry and ending on the frame the HUD icon changes. If you can't do this, or if someone else can't do it, you will have to wait until next week so I can do it myself.
GrampaSwood (talk) 17:39, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

This video was never intended to be published or easy for people to understand. This was simply made because I did not want to create a labyrinth of custom hammer-made maps, scripts, and screen recorders, I mean, I do not know if there is a "trigger_engineer_building" in hammer BezaoBuilder (talk) 16:17, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

All you just need to do is add some timers to it, it's not that much work. Otherwise, I can't confirm it.
GrampaSwood (talk) 16:24, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

But my Openshot does not have timers BezaoBuilder (talk) 17:45, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Done! Here is the video: I made some corrections, which can be seen by skipping to 1:35 and 1:40. The link is here BezaoBuilder (talk) 18:22, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Good job!

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Are you ready, kid?

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Meet the Robinsons speculation

Hi, GrampaSwood.

I added a note about speculations about the Shutterbug being a reference to Meet the Robinsons to the Trivia section because three different people have done it four times already. Considering the article is barely over one month old, I thought that was enough times to warrant a note, like how the Hound Dog has a Trivia note saying "Let readers make their own connection between the yellow painted Hound Dog and Johnny Bravo", and decided to add the Observer to the note as well because I saw that as a potential item for people to add multiple times too.

Cheers. =) - BrazilianNut (talk) 23:23, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

I only saw it being added once, and I usually see all/most edits on the English part of the wiki (I check the RC every morning until the last edit I saw in IRC's RC then sort on English only to make sure). I did not see other edits, so I missed them. I undid it now, but put the note at the bottom so people who are tempted to add it read it first as opposed to at the top/next to == Trivia ==
GrampaSwood (talk) 07:29, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Eternal Reward

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Wow! — Tark lm(pt-br) 22:56, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

• Ye i was supposed to give it to you but i see you got one. FiatSeicento 12:13, 11 October 2019 (UTC)Fiat Seicento

You could edit your name in the wikichievement or steal it from Tark :))
GrampaSwood (talk) 13:59, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

CELEBRATION TIME

https://wiki.tf/d/2470713 CMON
FiatSeicento 11:09, 13 October 2019 (UTC)Fiat Seicento

Congratz on the shiny capper, ye chicken-chewing bastard! Context for those who weren't on IRC - he was eating chicken the moment I dropped the last vote on him. VasyaTheWizard ^{(talk) • (contributions)} 11:12, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Winner winner chicken dinner indeed FiatSeicento 11:14, 13 October 2019 (UTC)Fiat Seicento

🐔. Also congrats. Denied (Talk) 11:15, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Nice chicken. Wanna do it? { TidB | t | c } 11:17, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes
GrampaSwood (talk) 11:25, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Nice chicken nub))) Also, gratz on cap, you finally made it! Fuffeh ▪ Talk ▪ Contributions 11:41, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Parabéns! — Tark 13:00, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

"BREAKING NEWS: Celebration begins as local Dutch man gets his very own brand new, very shiny, and unusual hat."
Kaezle (talk) 13:07, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Congrats, well deserved :) Mgpt (talk) 13:10, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Well Grampa you made it, despite my directions. Congratulations :> Faghetti V.2 (talk) 14:40, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

This message brought to you by Wiki Cap. Wiki Cap, the shiniest hat you ever need Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 14:45, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Nice job! — Thedop (talk) 16:06, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘dis be droppu — Wind 19:50, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Pootiscap  Wookipan (talk | contribs) 19:59, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

*notices 1 pixel of the Community Sparkle sprite* *breathes in* IS THAT A SELF-MADE HAT? - ▪ - 20:04, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

SPARKLY HAT TIME! :D - BrazilianNut (talk) 11:08, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations for not shitting your pants before finally getting it. — shots fired by: Nikno {Talk | Contribs} 16:12, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Soul Gargoyle Rank

Hey there GrampaSwood! First of all congratulations for the hat! You deserved it! Second of all I need your help, again. Do you know how to translate the Gargoyle Ranks in this page https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Soul_Gargoyle/it ? It looks like some sort of dictionary template, but before doing something stupid I'd prefer to ask.

Thanks buddeh. D-ray (talk) 09:55, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Ciao amigo :D

You can add them in Dictionary/items， just search for "===[[Soul Gargoyle]] ranks ===" and add them as other languages did.

10:29, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi there,
as Dereko mentioned, you should edit it in the dictionary itself here.
However, you can find out where to do it yourself in the future too: Edit the Soul Gargoyle page, scroll down the page (not the page's text) and you might see something like this or this. These are the templates used on the page, here you will just have to find the template's name (In this case, Soul Gargoyle Ranks and click on it using your mouse's scrollwheel (This opens it in another tab). Now, click on edit and scroll down again, you should now see there's the whole list of dictionary entries (DO NOT EDIT THESE INDIVIDUAL PAGES). This means it's done via the dictionary, otherwise it's done via the template itself with translation switching. (Alternatively, you can look at the template itself and see it uses {{item name|Sad}})
GrampaSwood (talk) 11:27, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks both of you guys! :)

Edit: it looks like the template is already translated but for some reasons it doesn't appear.

D-ray (talk) 20:41, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

pls in russian i don't speak london

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Sound request

I would like to request the sound effect for the Pomson 6000 drain sound effect. I think it will be useful because it will help readers hear the distinct "drain" sound of the Pomson 6000. Likewise, I would like the Spycicle extinguish sound too for similar reasons. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 04:05, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I will get on it tomorrow (12-12-2019)
GrampaSwood (talk) 21:12, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Pomson drain, Icicle melt
GrampaSwood (talk) 17:55, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Did I apply the Spycicle file to the right position of the respective article? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 02:02, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

No problem, and yes
GrampaSwood (talk) 08:43, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

I request uploading of the following files: Spy_tape_01.wav, Spy_tape_02.wav, Spy_tape_03.wav, Spy_tape_04.wav, Spy_tape_05.wav. These are for complimenting the Red-Tape Recorder article. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 01:27, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

I'll get on it soon, please do keep future requests here to not clutter the talk page.
GrampaSwood (talk) 09:23, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Okay then. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 22:36, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Spy tape 1, Spy Tape 2, Spy Tape 3, Spy Tape 4, Spy Tape 5. These should be all, let me know if there's something else you need
GrampaSwood (talk) 12:30, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! By the way, how would you word the descriptions for each of the five sounds of the Red-Tape Recorder? And also, upload the Dead Ringer sound, if not already available on the wiki; I sense the special decloak sound might be noteworthy to mention in the article, and there even is a placement on the article where the sound file may come in handy. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 09:09, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

I'd suggest that any new requests should be made here, leave the request and your signature there. I've uploaded the dead ringer uncloak as requested
GrampaSwood (talk) 17:07, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

All right. Also, yes the link works. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 03:45, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Trivia removal

I think your removal of my trivia was unjustified, since it had evidence to corroborate it. There was a a splash of speculation but look at this image, then look at Illustrative Rendering in Team Fortress 2's silhouette section. It's some evidence that the Scout was using the SMG model as a Nailgun placeholder. Mind you both Trailers 1 and 2 were made in SFM (then called IFM by VALVe), but it's something. I hope I can convince you with this evidence.
Please forgive my poor formatting, as I'm new to the TF2 Wiki. All I want to do is help, but sometimes, even I need help. Sandvich Thief (talk) 07:48, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

This doesn't mean that the SMG was the world model for the Nail gun. We don't get to see Scout's first person perspective in the first trailer, so there is no way to know that it's a placeholder (world)model. The most likely thing is that it's most likely just a whole different weapon that was later given to the Sniper. Unless there's some source directly from valve specifically stating that the SMG was a placeholder model (I don't think you'd put it in a trailer if it was a placeholder), it's speculation. Spy lost his tranquilizer gun too, but it isn't necessarily a placeholder for his Revolver. (Nail gun might've been moved to Medic as well, but with a different model).

I fixed your formatting btw, if you want a file to be linked add a ":" in front of the link, like this [[:File:filename]]
GrampaSwood (talk) 12:23, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

First off, thanks for reformatting my poor writing.

Now, I understand what you're saying about the Nailgun, and I get that, but you also forget Medic had the SMG, as in Concept art, the SMG was labelled as his. Not to ::mention, in early builds of TF2, the Syringe Gun's script used the localisation tag "TF_Weapon_SuperSMG". Another thing, the Tranq was never a Revolver replacement. The ::leaked coded corroborates this as it has seperate (albeit useless code) relating to it. Instead of a revolver, Spy was presumably meant to have a silenced pistol. Think ::about it, his ragdollspawn sequence has him almost perfectly hold the Pistol's model. Not only that, Spy also has sequences related to Primary weapons. The Revolver is a ::secondary. Take all this evidence as you will. Sandvich Thief (talk) 11:05, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

The concept art bit doesn't matter, it's unrelated to this. The tranq thing was just an example, just because it got replaced doesn't mean it was a placeholder. I still don't see enough evidence, all I see is that Scout once had an SMG and then it was switched to the Nail gun.
GrampaSwood (talk) 11:54, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

More sound requests

Moved to here.
GrampaSwood (talk) 09:23, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Chemistry Set demonstration

Hello there.
I've seen that you've reserved video demonstration for Chemistry Set. If you're still interested in making it, I can provide Foppish Physician Strangifier Chem Set and all required items including strange for input. For free, just send me completed item back when you've done.
What do you think?
Irvitzer (talk) 00:49, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

That's very nice of you, but I have already gotten a professor speks one. I plan to do it at the same time as the Upgrade to Premium demonstration. If the speks one won't be accepted I could use a 2nd one though. Thank you for the offer, though.
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:41, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Alright, no problem.
Irvitzer (talk) 21:10, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

About Template:List of skyboxes

sky_day01_01 is one of the skyboxes used in Half-Life 2, Team Fortress 2, Counter-Strike: Source, Source SDK and is called from the hl2 folder. --Naomi2319 (talk) 23:46, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

But the Half-Life 2 map it's used in is irrelevant to this wiki.
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:03, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Cap your item limit

"Literally no one says "cap" when talking about the max drop system items."

FWIW, the tfwiki literally says 'weekly item cap'. (Here too, as tagged by the blog.)

Literally, Valve said 'cap' when talking about the max drop system items, although possibly in response to the Community usage.

Websters:

5: to prevent from growing or spreading : set an upper limit on : cap toilet paper prices

google team fortress 2 "item cap".

Admittedly, the usage fell off after 2015; but, maybe not.

Try

• The 'weekly item cap' or other time limit of item obtained from the item drop system.

M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 23:46, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

We've already had a talk about this in the IRC channel, my reasoning was that "cap" could mean any max (Maximum amount of medals you can distribute, maximum items you can have in your inventory) and I have personally never seen it used. Lagg was the one who argued for keeping it and because he has been in the community longer he has seen it used longer. So, if you want to undo it, it's fine by me. I just haven't seen it used personally so it didn't make sense to me.
GrampaSwood (talk) 09:28, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Various players/editors are exposed to different subcultures of the game, so personal experience is not the only rubric to apply. Thus, glossaries and disambies can serve both novice and expert players (you proved the latter). "Cap" in this sense seemed to come from the Community and Valve picked it up. If cap was much used in this drop limit sense unadorned with the words "daily", "weekly", and "item", it is impractical to verify. It may not matter any more, but we haven't made a practice of removing obsolete terms from glossaries and disambies as they are found still to be found in searches of discussion archives. It is a (more or less) key game mechanic and is adequately covered in the Idling page. Certainly, much less relevant terms can be found living long, happy lives hidden in disambies. If added back it should be in the form I suggested above. M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 01:59, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Rip and tear, until it is done

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"Linked already"

Hi, Swood.

I saw you reverted some edits on the articles for the Bozo's Brogues, Bountiful Bow‎‎, and Candyman's Cap with the reason "Linked already". However, what about articles of items that are variants of other items, like robotic and zombie versions, which both mention "it is a X version of Y" in the desctipion and have a link to the original item in See also?

Just a little food for thought.

Cheers. - BrazilianNut (talk) 12:11, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

I personally haven't seen those yet, I know there has been a conversation on what should and shouldn't be in the See also section. I personally thought it didn't fit, and if it does fit, someone like you would've probably undone the edit with a proper reasoning. Feel free to undo it if it should be there. I would remove the See also links for those items if it's mentioned in the article already.
GrampaSwood (talk) 12:53, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Creators.tf response

I thank you for the suggestion. However, its appears ANOTHER user named 404NUFF already fixed up the page I created and made it viable so..no point, right? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by GenericTF2er (talk) • (contribs) 06:16 CEST 29/3/2020

I'd say there's still a point. Right now it's just a few sentences which still doesn't qualify as an article, imo at least. I'd still suggest moving the page to your own user domain. Also please sign your comments using ~~~~
GrampaSwood (talk) 07:47, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Fat man's Field Cap identification

I'm failing to understand your logic, why are historical facts not enough? the hat itself is literally introduced in 1988, as you can see in official soviet rulebook for military personnel to properly wear uniforms;

1969 version; http://www.vedomstva-uniforma.ru/forma1969/1969.html

1973 version; http://www.vedomstva-uniforma.ru/forma1973/1973.html

1988 version; http://www.vedomstva-uniforma.ru/forma1988/1988.html

M69 was never referred as 'Afghanka', and there was no field cap for that uniform, only a sidecap. even if Svdl says it's based on obr69 or obr73, it's him who's misinformed. though i doubt it since he named his item set 'Air Defense', referencing it's indeed based on VDV paratroopers from Soviet-Afghan War period. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by SovietTriumph (talk) • (contribs) 05:55 CEST, 2 April 2020

First of all, sign your comments using ~~~~. Second of all, it's still speculation because even if it looks like it's based off of something it might not be. This is simply how it works for everything. A source from the maker is enough to prove it.
GrampaSwood (talk) 08:21, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Speculation means there's other possibilities. that hat ingame IS 100% identical to obr88 hat, every stiches and details match. i know some hats with irl counterparts went some major changes to fit into TF2's artstyle, but this isn't one of it. its design is unique, there is no copy of this hat made by another country. i can't see why you're needing item maker's confirmation when everything is so clear.

SovietTriumph (talk) 18:05, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Because the creator may draw the concept from scratch and somehow it's similar to it. Confirmation from the creator is the thing to prove that he did that based on somethings else or not. Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 01:47, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

"If an item can be cited, however, it should be" You will find me more generous on the subject. Yes, it is possible to draw a random hat and have it closely match a historic icon, but not reasonably possible. Also, yes, an email from the modeler would be appropriate if posible, as the guide says. But what if the modeler is mistaken. Suppose, I am speculating here, the modeler is mistaken in good faith claiming that their model is '69 version and Valve accepted it on that basis, when in fact the model is '88 and therefore out of period for the game. (In that situation, there is both factuality and notability in the Trivia.)

If there is something that can bring a modicum of virtue to a game wiki, it is raising attention to histroy represented by the items we play with. Here I have been prompted to know there is such a thing as the VDV, I would much rather have a link in either the Lead or the Trivia to the history of the specific model, because my search only finds today's uniform. It would seem strange that Valve would approve it if it was not a 1970s or earlier historic artifact. Part of the maker's business model of the model is that it is a historical reference. Knowledgable members of the community have recognized it as VDV as a purchase point. Unknowning members are edified by the OP's contribution.

How do we know the fairy wings are in reference to that Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna!?!? There were at least two different Grand Duchesses of that name at that time! How could this happen! Oh, this is bad. We must get a letter from Valve!

M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 03:13, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@GrampaSwood: Soviet Airborne Divisions naturally deployed with antiaircraft units (with the very model that Heavy carries in the Workshop), just as US airborne divisions deployed with anti-aircraft battalions. M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 05:40, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@SovietTriuph: The fundamental issue with the reversion has nothing to do with whether you are correct about the model. There is a standard applied here that we don't see a reference to reasonable evidence that the modeler had any particular hat in mind, whether it is '69 or '88, airborne or coastguard is immaterial to that concern. Personally, rather than reversion, I prefer more thorough citation. M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 05:43, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

I think newly added trivia should always be sourced, regardless of how obvious it may seem (One example is the Titanic reference you, Mikado, saw on Cursed Cove which turned out to not be a Titanic reference). This should be the standard, otherwise it is speculation because there is no source on it.
GrampaSwood (talk) 08:50, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ User:GrampaSwood: “(One example is the Titanic reference you, Mikado, saw on Cursed Cove …)”
I recall a conversation, wherein I defended the Trivia, but I did not post the Trivia.

• BrazilianNut added the skeleton Ttrivia here.

• GrampaSwood removed the skeleton Trivia here.

• Above, GrampaSwood provided a clip of a single chat message from the Cursed Cove contributor EmNudge, to wit, “there is a mistake on the cursed cove wiki, the first Trivia fact is incorrect … clever, but incorrect”

I have some recollection of more of a conversation, but I cannot find it. IIRC, my argument was that the positioning of the skeletons was curious at best, but definitely suggestive of something, if not the scene in Titanic (but yes, it could be something else). Attributed to EmNudge was that those skeletons were nothing more than an accidental residue of some mechanic intended for the map, but was completely removed for causing too many game running problems, except for those skeletons just lying there, meaning absolutely nothing.

As for documentation of references and/or bases of items, I have had many thoughts over the days.

I acknowledge that Trivia stating that the creator had a specific model risks some decree of speculation. I get that it is preferred/acceptable to have a statement from the creator, say an email or Workshop statement. However,

• generally, what is said in the Workshop is erzat for the wiki, isn’t it?
• an email? that’s not an official Valve publication.
• and it is potentially possible, if rare, for the creator to be mistaken about the identification of the basis for their model.

I tend to favor placing identification of the basis in the lead, where it is acceptable to place obvious descriptions, like "a hat shaped like a large yellow banana" for the Potassium Bonnett, but the only "proof" we have of that (that it is indeed supposed to be a large yellow banana, since our eyes can be fooled and our memories mistaken) is statements in the Workshop, which, ironically, are generally discounted in other cases. We say, '"Mannanas" is a portmanteau of "Mann" and "bananas"'. Is that not at least a small sliver of speculation? On the brand emblem, the name is in two words "Mann" and "Nanas"; and nanas is a Malay word for pineapple. Surely, Valve meant bananas, not pineapple, right? That can’t possibly be speculation? Then, why is there a pineapple in Poopy Joe’s bugle!?!?

As to the identity of the Fat Man’s Field Cap:

• It has some resemblance to one type of WWII Soviet field cap
• Maybe a USSR Soviet Army Afghan Hat?
• Maybe this Afganka, Soviet Cap, Russian M69?
• The set was excitedly popular with many users that recognized the specific models (or maybe assumed they did)

Maybe real expert is needed to properly identify the cap. All of that said, I really think that the Lead should at the very least say "Soviet-era military field cap". M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 21:52, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm having a swoody-doody good time

I hereby declare GrampaSwood as the greatest swood who has ever lived -RJ 18:16, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Already Linked Text

Hi, noticed you reverted my edit on Doppler for mentioning the author twice. However, most other maps do this same thing (i.e Oxidize,Derelict,Hideout). Should these be reverted? I am a little confused, thanks! InfernalShroom (Talk) 15:38, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but only the mentions of who made the map. On some of those pages the same people are credited for their mission making as well, leave those links.
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:49, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Mikado282 kills me on easter weekend and resurrects me, thus making me wiki Jesus

And that makes Mikado282 what?

"The reports of your death are greatly exaggerated."

Still,

tic

toc

M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 14:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks...

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Thank you :D
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:27, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Swood is wiki mod now! Party time!!!!!!!!!!

Congrats, well deserved :) FanCyy (talk) 09:57, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

you're stuff now :o VasyaTheWizard ^{(talk) • (contributions)} 09:59, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Congrats! :D - BrazilianNut (talk) 16:15, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Congrats \:)/ Mgpt (talk) 18:11, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

About Badlands early stuff posts

Hello there!

So, about that Badlands stuff. I saw your message. In short, I will mention your page in a subdirectory, but I will not delete it. I've already created such subcategories in 2fort and Dustbowl, so there is no point in deleting these posts. Plus, I haven't seen your page at all, because it is not even mentioned anywhere. So, let it be as it is. MrPrisen (talk) 15:27, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Please reply on your own talk page next time. Mentioning the same thing twice isn't a good idea and makes no sense. It'll likely be removed.
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:31, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Late but here (Big Bob DMs regarding the Fire Fighter)

https://imgur.com/a/N4OmAdX (You did not respond with an email to send to so I thought it'd be better to post it here.) Limecatcher (talk) 17:50, 26 August 2020 (UTC) limecatcher

I replied with "Upload an image to imgur", but the new talk page system either didn't save the post or it didn't show up (That happens from time to time, we all hate it >.>). Anyways, I got confirmation from him as well.
GrampaSwood (talk) 18:02, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

New contributor here...

Hey GrampaSwood,

Thanks for picking up the slack after I edited the Announcer page and created the disambiguation page for Cow (thought it was funny). I started contributing today, and I'm trying to adhere to the styles and templates laid out as faithfully as possible. If there's any advice you'd like to give me, I'm glad to use any of it. If not, just want to say thanks again for your help. Hope I see you in recent changes often!

MrMcMazing (talk) 01:59, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi there,

if you want to easily chat with other editors you can go to the IRC that's where I generally hang out (along with other editors). :D
GrampaSwood (talk) 12:05, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

re: Soldier achievements bug

Hi,

Here's gameplay footage I captured of myself just now, unlocking the Worth a Thousand Words achievement by using Taunt: Square Dance with a Shotgun out. (Last time it happened it was with a Panic Attack, so I imagine it's the same with any Soldier weapon that has a 21-gun salute taunt.)

https://youtu.be/lyxVJ5z5NVs

Tutwater (talk) 17:58, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Bot Support on Maps

I would respectfully disagree with your removal of the note about bot and Navmesh support from Hassle Castle and Moldergrove. While players can make their own navmesh, that requires sv_cheats 1, whereas maps which include support do not require cheats, and therefore support achievements and statistics gathering. With Valve's refusal to deal with casual mode bots, myself and many other players have turned to private servers to play uninterrupted with friends, and need bots to fill out a team. When only three of the four Scream Fortress maps support bots, I feel it is worth distinguishing which. Sgtketchup (talk) 21:33, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

In that case, users can visit Bots, which I saw you edited, as it makes much more sense for users to visit a list of maps that have bot support rather than visit every map page to see if it supports bots or not. Apart from this, it's not super notable either (Especially if it will only benefit a select few people playing with bots).
GrampaSwood (talk) 21:56, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

The main map infobox already has a field for bot support, so more than a "few people" found it notable. I would like to repeat the edits using the infobox template. Users seeking information on a particular map should not need to visit an unlinked page to find that information, and it is at least as notable as a list of Underworld Hazards. Sgtketchup (talk) 01:17, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm fine with having it in the infobox, didn't know it had that.
GrampaSwood (talk) 09:43, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

edit

demoman's model has a eye hiden under his eyepatch. pls add this fact to the trivia section of demoman's page. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gngrbredman87 (talk) • (contribs) 17:49 CEST 15/10/2020

First of all, please sign your comments using ~~~~.

Second of all, could your provide a picture? The only eye I've seen under his eyepatch is an eye painted brown, and that's not very noteworthy.
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:51, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Cow mangler fake bug video proof

i didnt record it myself but heres the video that proves it at 8:18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Cr4sm0rfg Medicmanofmedicland (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Please record a secondary shot as well, as that is mentioned in the bug as well.
GrampaSwood (talk) 09:57, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Collector's lugermorph

I was trying to find a lugermorph and then I see a collector's lugermorph i thinked that it was a bug i managed to see in 3 diffirent tf2 item sites it was not for sale after total of 5 minutes it dissapeared i managed to find discouseing about this and about me and 25 people say the have seen it in diffirent tf2 item sites im pretty sure that this is a bug or hacked as as developers dont give 1 of a kinds anymore SteamID76561199099558497 (talk) 20:19, 8 November 2020 (UTC) (this was written becouse of you wanting evidence)

People saying that they've seen it is not really enough. Besides that, this would be a bugged quality and is not listed as an available quality.
GrampaSwood (talk) 20:32, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Video

Hello, you recently reverted an edit by me on the Particle effects page, asking me to add a video demonstrating the bug. I don't know how to add references, so I will just add a link here.— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sausagea1000 (talk) • (contribs) 13:37 CET 11/11/2020

Hi there, please sign your comments using ~~~~.

I'll undo the edit, feel free to undo the edit and put the link in the summary next time.
GrampaSwood (talk) 12:50, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

The Buffalo Steak Sandvich

Hello there. My recent edit pertaining to the removal of the stack-up of the GRU's speed increase and the Steak Sandvich's was erased, even though the information is correct. The removal of stacking the two items has been removed from the game since the | December 22, 2010 patch at the earliest, as noted by the patch notes. Although it is possible that the patch in question has since been reverted accidentally, it is not reflected in patch notes, or in-game as noted in this YouTube demonstration I have created. Is there any reason as to why it was deleted?

Regards, CaptainKodachrome (talk) 00:31, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

The patch notes are incorrect, there are 2 videos at the bottom of the page which shows that the speed is 310.50 HU/s with Steak + GRU, while only GRU is 299 HU/s. This speed difference is incredibly small, but a speed difference nonetheless. Even in your own video (Low quality pic, sorry) it shows that the GRU reaches the end before the Fists.
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:49, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Its PhatScout

Hey PhatScout here, I was banned from editing for a while, but I will be better to fix grammar mistakes and add some links if they are needed. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by PhatScout (talk) • (contribs) 06:55 CET 14/11/2020

Hi there,

Please sign your messages using ~~~~

Thank you, please do note that this is nothing personal.
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:49, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

RE: Unusual Pictures

So basically I just wasted three hours making loadout.tf renders. Great. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Roebloz (talk) • (contribs) 20:04 CET 24/11/2020

Please sign your comments using ~~~~.

The Unusual renders guide is all about SFM and the Cosmetic Images guide specifically shows loadout.tf as a bad example.

Please also use the topic I put on your talk page next time.
GrampaSwood (talk) 19:57, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Translation

Hello I'm not very familiar with this wiki. Does french pages have to be exclusively translations from the english pages ? My english is bad but I would like to contribute with my knowledge. For example I updated the page of Eureka Effect, removing an old bug and adding the current bugs I know. I don't looked at the english page before. Was it a mistake ? Thank you for your help :) Kurokineko (talk) 15:18, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Of course you can contribuite to the Wiki. You may see the translation progress page of your language (that i guess is french). Also, remember to read the guidelines
And not exactly, you should translate the page directly from the english page, but you can vary in some points, like trivia or some specific words. Greetings · Ashe (talk) 15:28, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you :) Kurokineko (talk) 15:29, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi there,

Yes, the French pages are exclusively translated from the English page (But as Ashe mentioned, not translated word for word). However, if you have something like a bug you want to add you can add them on both pages at once. Please also always provide a video or image of the bug you are adding. If you aren't confident you can add me on Steam (https://steamcommunity.com/id/funnymemehere/) whenever you want to add a new bug, message me what you want to put on the page and I can correct the English.
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:30, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Disguise bugs

Recently, I added some bugs related to disguises, but it seems like you reverted the edits asking for a source, so I will just add it here instead of in the talk page of every article. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jUPs_hIhSE Sausagea1000 (talk) 19:51, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Seems like it's a bug that's more to do with disguises than with the individual weapons. Do not re-add to them to the individual pages, I'll open a topic on Disguise's talk page to see what to do with them. Please do add a source for every future bug that's added (Otherwise, undoing and asking for a source is just gonna happen again and again).
GrampaSwood (talk) 22:18, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Reload speed issue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXrFHgTu_kc&feature=youtu.be

Stuff in the description. I do believe this is working as designed, only that TF2 devs frequently mistake what +X% faster means for action times, it's present in virtually all blue text on weapons like the force a nature's "+50%" firing speed meaning that it fires twice as fast. --Manta (talk) 14:26, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

This doesn't really show off the exact timings, please add timers to the video showing the exact timings.
GrampaSwood (talk) 14:27, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

No need, just look at the Force-a-nature and the scattergun pages, these are verified numbers right? The attack interval on the FaN is exactly half of the scattergun. Meaning that +50% firing speed actually means in that instance that it really -50% attack interval (Or +100% true firing speed). Do the same maths for the pocket pistol, family business, scottish resistance you'll see that they consistently get this wrong. Now actually read the video's description for the rest of the maths. If you're going to make me do all the work, at least read what I'm writing. --Manta (talk) 14:36, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

If i'm not wrong, it's just a typo problem. It should say "+25% reload speed" instead of "+20% reload speed".

Level (+25%)	Time
0 level (Default reload speed)	1.5
1 level (0.75x of default reload speed)	0.75x1.5 = 1.125 ~ 1.2
2 levels (0.75x0.75x DRS)	0.75x0.75x1.5=0.84375 ~ 0.9
3 levels (0.75x0.75x0.75x DRS)	0.75x0.75x0.75x1.5=0.6328125 ~ 0.6

Ashe (talk) 14:43, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

If this happens with every weapon, it's not worth noting.
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:18, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

If Upgrades work differently than stated in the Station, it should be noted somewhere, at least systematically, maybe in a Strategy.

Minigun (Brass Beast) Firing Speed Upgrade Study

Upgrade	0	1	2	3	4
stated fire rate	base	+10%	+10%	+10%	+10%
Cost	$0	$350	$700	$1,050	$1,400
time (s)	21	18	18	15	12
bps	9.52	11.11	11.11	13.33	16.67
actual fire rate	base	+17%	+0%	+23%	+25%
dps	100%	117%	117%	140%	175%

Method: measure time (seconds) to empty a drum for a Brass Beast for each upgrade.

M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 03:29, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

If the upgrades work differently in the way that every single weapon stat works differently than stated, it's nothing out of the ordinary (But might be interesting to add it to Notes on Weapons or the attributes list). If an upgrade doesn't work at all, that's a bug to be noted. (Such as 1st Tomislav firing speed, 2nd Minigun firing speed, 3rd Sentry firing speed, Flame Thrower burn time).
GrampaSwood (talk) 07:50, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-tame Trapper's Hat, Glow from Below, Mascot definition, and Elizabeth the Third

Hi, This is the guy who was editing 'mascot'. Thanks for stepping in, I'm new and generally have no clue what I'm doing.

One thing that seems confusing is that hats which give the player an assist in pyroland seem to not be included under the mascot page. Glow from Below, for instance, should be excluded. The thing that also is confusing is that Semi-tame Trapper's Hat is on there, I took it off. If that was the wrong call, I'll undo my edit. And also Elizabeth the Third (which is a mascot) has no pyroland demonstration video. I don't know who to contact about it. Thanks.

Dsquarehead01 (talk) 15:31, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Hats listed there have the mascot item kind, the semi-tame trapper's hat is also a mascot. No need to contact anyone, as it's on the demonstration page already.
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:34, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Mr.Sandman, bring me a crit

I continued to create an edit about the Sandman having a first instant Crit ball, upon further observation, i was wrong. I formerly apologias as I intend to bring new knowledge to the tf2 community. I hope I can learn from this experience and do better. Your's truly, Nerd Sauce (talk) 17:31, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

How do I copy the tab;e?

How do I copy the speed table from the english soldier page to the dutch soldier page?? Thanks, Sjobenrit (talk) 19:52, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Should be automatically translated, just copy what's on the English page by going to edit and then the speed section.
GrampaSwood (talk) 20:34, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

It's me, your uncle.

Hey, Uncle Buttmunch here. I've noticed you've been hounding me for quite a bit on the bugs I've been putting on some pages, and I just wanted to talk to you about it. First of all: What sources am I expected to put up, and how? I've noticed that most other bugs listed have no sourcing at all, and every bug that I'VE been putting up are ones that I've seen and experienced firsthand. So, what (and how) do I have to really source?

Second of all: Sorry if I've been putting everything back up once it was taken down. I'm very new to wiki editing, and I never knew about the style guides.

But yea, since I listed all the things that need to be done to view the bugs, you can feel free to try them out on your own time. Just a quick note, though: The Taunt Lock bug on round end I discovered when I WON on 2fort as Scout, and I did the Mannrobics for the end taunt. I also got the same thing to happen with Sniper and Spy, same map and taunt.

Thanks, dude. If I need to make a video to source these bugs, so be it. Just let me know what's expected of me.

Until then, I'll be waiting. Thanks. Uncle Buttmunch (talk) 21:18, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello Uncle,

For all new bugs added, a source is required to be added. It is too much work for wiki editors to have to test every new bug added, and is simply not the responsibility of them to verify. I get that you've seen them, but this is not sufficient proof. A good way to add a source is to add a video or an image in the summary. These bugs have largely been added before this whole check thing became regular. It's too big of an undertaking to review every single bug on every single page to look for outdated bugs.

And don't worry, making mistakes is completely okay and please don't see this as hostile in any way, it's not meant to be.
GrampaSwood (talk) 22:05, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Source?

Hey just wanted to ask I saw you undid my edit for the killstreak bug section and asked for a source. Would that mean I would have to provide a video of the interaction happening? Please take the time to respond when you can :D Legit Weaboo (talk) 02:57, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, you need to provide a source. Not uploading it to the page, just showing it in a youtube or reddit video/image and providing the link in the edit summary · Ashe (talk) 03:20, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

You've earned it

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I didn't need your help, y'know Click to listen — GrampaSwood attempting to say "thanks!"

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GrampaSwood (talk) 23:37, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Undo Editing Trivia

Hello GrampaSwood I have a question on why my edit for trivia on the Rocket Jumper was removed and what I can do to make it ok?Xleafx2 (talk) 01:32, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Nothing, really. It's trivia about something community servers have as custom content, or how the community perceives the weapon. Neither of these are suitable trivia.
GrampaSwood (talk) 02:17, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Yer doin’

Good lad Calcium fiend (talk) 16:00, 30 March 2021 (UTC) Also, Happy wiki birthday. Calcium fiend (talk) 14:02, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you :D
GrampaSwood (talk) 14:05, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Categories

Quick question, how do I add items to a Category? Calcium fiend (talk) 13:09, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Never mind, I figured it out. Calcium fiend (talk) 13:32, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Regarding an undo edit

Hi, so uh you've undone my recent edit on the "Your Worst Nightmare" Bug section. Could you please elaborate more on how I need to add proof?

I've never seen any item provide proof to a bug on the wiki. (For example the "Antarctic Eyewear" does not provide proof to the bug.)

Thanks.

EgregiouslyWhite (talk) 20:53, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Something such as a video or image (whichever one is appropriate) showing off the bug in the summary, a link to imgur or youtube, for example. The reason this isn't on old bugs is because this is a relatively new policy and going through all the old bugs and checking for them/removing them based on no evidence is too much of a hassle.
GrampaSwood (talk) 21:02, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh I see. Thank you for elaborating. I'll be sure to add some proof later.

EgregiouslyWhite (talk) 21:03, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Regarding the Valve open time

I suppose that there should be a note displayed like: All times are UTC－5:00 (Eastern Standard Time, EST), but I'm not pretty sure how exactly Valve is working. So I'm here to notice. Balkan Red Bandit (talk) 14:37, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure if the opening times are relevant at all, as it's about Valve as a company.
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:28, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Diagonal Movement in Natascha bugs list

I do like your rewrite of the stat being incorrect on the resistance as it's written wrong.

Now that I remember correctly, I think they reverted the change they made to the slowdown, at one point they fixed spamming A and D causing slowdowns to be mitigated, but it's working again so either they brought it back as a "feature" or it just managed to get into TF2 again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KT-m_2yzJQ So strange, this person thinks it has to do with players being unhappy with the Natascha, I don't think so since that makes the weapon about useless but I think it's them using a old build and accidentally pushing that one to the main game instead of the current build they had. Going to test this myself to see if this is still true in 2021.

Bucket (talk) 16:27, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

They did in fact revert it, strange.

https://youtu.be/lvQ3RwNW2_0

Bucket (talk) 20:31, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

On the bright side I managed to rewrite a crit bug and conclude that the resistance it and probably the brass beast has shares the same issue as the buffalo steak only it benefits from this bug. Also figured out another no clip bug.

Bucket (talk) 20:33, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, strange that they decided to keep it in. Perhaps it's from the old version like you said, but who knows. I think if they wanted to change the weapon they'd just straight up do it in a balance path (During Jungle Inferno, I suppose). Either way, weird situation. And yeah, keep up the good work. I found that the visual muzzle flash/firing noise happens on every other minigun as well.
GrampaSwood (talk) 20:49, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I plan on testing all of heavies weapons for bugs until I find every single one and have a well explained bug listing on the weapons bug list.

Bucket (talk) 21:18, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Do note that not every bug is worth putting on there, usually, visual bugs like clipping issues are not noted. Sometimes bugs have too little impact on gameplay to be noted either.
GrampaSwood (talk) 21:24, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Yeah I know, mainly talking about in your face bugs that are either annoying or impact gameplay

Bucket (talk) 21:48, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Other players can see the muzzle flash, could be used to threaten players when you're low on ammo and you know they're low, beyond that I don't think it's too impactful to gameplay.

Bucket (talk) 22:11, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Question

I didn’t know where else to put this but I was hoping you elaborated on “ requires too much upkeep when there's already an existing category with identical functions.” because unless they are multiple kinds of jiggle bone I still think it should be added on the jiggle boneThe Fiend (talk) 19:31, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

This refers to the category and the template having an identical function of showing the player which items have jiggle bones.
GrampaSwood (talk) 19:34, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Source

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Fortified_Compound&oldid=prev&diff=2973571

The Huntsman and the Fortified Compound use the same taunt. I guess that this is the source? Tiagoquix (talk) 00:05, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, just realised the bug is Skewer-specific and shouldn't be on the weapon pages.
GrampaSwood (talk) 00:12, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

All right then. Tiagoquix (talk) 00:17, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Minigun fire rate desc

It's a huge deal, massive loss in DPS for all miniguns except the tomislav. Knowing how it should be vs how it is is very important.

Bucket (talk) 14:05, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

It doesn't matter that much unless it functions differently between Casual servers. It really isn't that notable because it's how (as far as I know) the Minigun has worked for a very long time.
GrampaSwood (talk) 14:20, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

It's important because people never knew this was how it worked, everyone thought it was .1 . I'm currently updating DPS to reflect this however.

Bucket (talk) 14:24, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

That doesn't really make it important though, some bugs are just not really notable enough to mention. This is one of them, maybe other people think differently so you could open up a discussion on the talk page.
GrampaSwood (talk) 14:34, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

I suppose, but I did figure one thing out, the way nataschas damage was calculated on the wiki before was inaccurate to all the other miniguns and did not have it's critical damage calculated properly, I fixed it and I'm still working on the other non tomislav miniguns, but currently nataschas community accepted DPS is slightly higher than before after recalculating, this was calculated by taking the damage per ammo and multiplying it by 9.5, but the natascha was weirdly calculated so I calculated it the way the other miniguns had been before by taking damage per ammo and multiplying it by 10. The nataschas one pellet hit damage was swapped with the long range making it look weird and it was inaccurate to the minimum damage ramp up. I fixed that, as well as the long range DPS being calculated by multiplying base damage per ammo by 6 instead of by 10. Which was weird. Now all minigun calculations (except tomislav) should be done by 9.5 instead of 10

Bucket (talk) 14:54, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Several of my UserPages and UserFiles to be deleted.

Hi. Can you please help me with something? Other mod/admins could help too, I'm just sending this to your Talk page as you are one of the more active mods out there.

I decided that I'll continue working on my loadout table elsewhere instead on the Wiki itself. I was already aware that I was doing a lot of edits just to my UserPage, and I felt like I was spamming the IRC with my edits (even though they weren't one after the other). I also started getting new painted items, and it's most likely that even more loadouts will come. My plan is to import the Loadout table to my GitHub Pages website.

Please, delete the following pages (including their FULL history):

• User:Gabrielwoj
• User:Gabrielwoj/Profile
• https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gabrielwoj/Profile&redirect=no
• User:Gabrielwoj/TemplateSandbox
• User:Gabrielwoj/LoadoutTable/Sandbox
• User:Gabrielwoj/LoadoutTable
• User:Gabrielwoj/MedievalTable

I have made backups for these pages already, you can proceed in deleting them. I'll later make the page again with the latest revision that I have saved. My UserPage + LoadoutTable has almost 1000 edits, and I feel bad in having so many of them, considering they aren't even related to Wiki contribution. I am aware that my edit streak may break on the Wiki Stats, but that's okay.

I would also like if you deleted ALL of the following files, including related to loadouts. I also saved all of these files locally, so no worries about me losing them:

I also made these PasteBins that include only the filenames themselves, as well another which links directly to their file pages, in case they make it easier to delete them: raw file names | direct links

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Note: I'm not requesting for my username to be deleted from the website, just the pages and files listed above (including their history).

Thanks. - ▪ - 15:24, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Soldier_thanks02.wav - ▪ - 11:34, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Red Scout's Mother

There is a mistake on the Non Player's Character Page which wrongly says the Red Scout's mother is seen in "A Cold day in Hell" We have never actually seen the Red Scout's mother in any of the comics. It's a small, unimportant detail but the less misinformation the better.

The Scout in the main comics is originally the BLU Scout. RED and BLU no longer exist after Gray Mann takes over both companies in "Blood Brothers" The Scout who stays and fights during the Mann vs Machine years under the new employ of Mann Co is shown to be the BLU Scout in "A fate worse than chess" All the mercenaries wear red colored clothes during the Mann vs Machine years and afterwards, hence many people's confusion.

Scout also speaks about the time fighting Santa seen in "A Smissmas story" which is directly linked to in the main comic "Unhappy Returns" And the Smissmas Story features the BLU Team

https://www.teamfortress.com/tf02_unhappy_returns/#f=38

https://www.teamfortress.com/fateworsethanchess/#f=28

The dream/flashback of Scout's mother in "A Cold day in Hell" is of the Blu Scout's mother. Despite the irrelevant color of her dress.

JackCharter (talk) 14:13, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

(at GrampaSwood's invitation) A pet peeve of mine has been the overthinking of RED v. BLU characters. Yes, RED v. BLU is core to the Soldier-Demoman buddy arc, but even then which one is BLU and which one is RED is ultimately immaterial; all that matters is that they are on opposite sides of senseless conflict. IMO, BLU Scout's mother and RED Scout's mother should just be merged into Scout's mother; yes, the first image shows consistency that like Soldier and Demoman, that Spy and mother are on opposite sides. The second image has the Spy and mother on the same side, but that is just a dream sequence, right?

Also, IMO, RED Heavy's family should just be Heavy's family. (agreed, GP?)

M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 16:18, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree with this, I think there's no real point in keeping RED and BLU separate unless it has an actual meaning (E.g. the WAR! story).
GrampaSwood (talk) 17:10, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

With respect, I wouldn't call it overthinking. They are completely different characters. We know there were 18 mercs originally during the gravel wars. https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/File:Pyromania_easter_senate003.jpg Plus We have seen both the Red heavy and soldier in the same comic as the Blu heavy and soldier in "Meet the Director"

It is clearly shown in the comics the composition of the merged Mann vs Machine team once Red and Blu no longer exist. I fully agree it makes ultimately no difference to the story but it's a common misconception in the fandom that the main comics only feature the RED team. Thank you both for your time and replies, could I kindly ask you to make the changes given I'm new to this? I don't want to mess things up. If not, I'm happy to give it a try.

JackCharter (talk) 17:31, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Even though there are 18 perfect idiots, presumably one of each class, the media has made no attempt to pretend or address that there are identical "twins" paired on the teams that have the exactly identical or even "completely different" backgrounds.

Even you, when clothing color is inconsistent, are able to disregard it. ("Despite the irrelevant color of her dress.")

Performing analysis on the basis of clothing color requires some speculation that Valve GAF.

Did RED Engie join the MvM team? Is it BLU Engie with the "old woman"? Does the TF Comics team discuss one Engie or two Engies?

And didn't Emily have a thing for Redmond? Probably, the deal is, Valve is really only working up one set of 9 characters with some hand waving as to why they don't cover all 18.

M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 20:53, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Great, I'll try and makes the changes you've recommended then JackCharter (talk) 21:54, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

I haved checked your edit while I am hiking. That Spy has a cross-team romance.with Scout's Mother is Canon. That scout's teammates at least speculate about the Scout-Spy relationship is Canon. That the media regularky teases about the Scout-Spy relationship is self-evident. That Scout dreamed about being an infant with Spy and Mother overlooking is Canon; but, that's it. The content of that dream can at most express that Scout has anxiety over the mysteries of his parentage; but, even that is speculation.

Concider also: Storyline#The_Scout.27s_parentage

I think there should be one heading. M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 01:17, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, enjoy the hike! I've merged the two under one heading. Unfortunately the page layout has been affected. Should I just remove the comic page showing the dream to realign everything? JackCharter (talk) 11:33, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey!

I've seen your messages, but as I am new to contributing to wikis such as this, I don't know how... Could you tell me how I can go about combining all these small edits and saving the page?

Thanks.

Onionwikiman (talk) 16:48, 26 May 2021 (UTC)Onionwikiman, 5/26/2021

Hi there,

There is a button at the top of the page labelled "edit". Use this button to edit the entire page at once, then edit each segment individually (each segment is indicated by == [segment title] ==. For example, == Trivia == is the Trivia section. Use this to edit the entire page and save once you've edited everything (make sure to check for mistakes using Show Preview, just under the summary).
GrampaSwood (talk) 17:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey again,

I've already finished the page, it's fully edited and completely done. What should I do at this point?

Onionwikiman (talk) 18:00, 26 May 2021 (UTC)Onionwikiman 5/26/2021

See if you can translate any other pages to translate. maybe this page can help.
GrampaSwood (talk) 18:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Sure, I'm on it. One more thing, when I go on the page, it says it's still in the Translation progress, do I/can I do something about that?

Onionwikiman (talk) 18:07, 26 May 2021 (UTC)Onionwikiman 5/26/2021

It's the {{trans}} template at the very top of the page.
GrampaSwood (talk) 18:13, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Heavy Load Coming Through! (Formatting for large amounts of new content.)

Howdy there, GrampaSwood! I have a question pertaining to formatting. I intend to release a rather large influx of tips and tricks referring to ÜberCharge priority on the Community Medic Strategy page, but I am uncertain whether to add the info into it's own new section or into the already existent Class Cooperation Strategies section of the page. I feel ÜberCharge priority is an important skill to learn when playing Medic, but I don't know if that really justifies it's own section. Thoughts and suggestions? If you would like to review the tips before I add them, please don't hesitate to shoot me a message on my talk page and I will send you a file with them.

My regards, CaptainKodachrome (talk) 19:15, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I'd recommend going to the Communtiy strategy project talk page instead.
GrampaSwood (talk) 19:17, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate your help! Hopefully, these tips will make their way to the page soon. Thank you!

CaptainKodachrome (talk) 19:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

removing my edit on capture the flag

maybe im not understanding, but you asked me to put an image into "the summary" to prove my bug, but i read up on the official editing pageand it states

"Do not post images or videos to prove a point unless absolutely necessary. If it is absolutely vital that a video be included, it is better to link to the video. Images should also be linked to, but can be shown as thumbnails if they have been uploaded to the Wiki."

maybe im missing something, like what is a summary? I just need a little bit of clarification. Thanks!--Da reaper (talk) 05:11, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

The summary is the little box of text just above the "Save changes", "Show preview", "Show changes", and "Cancel" buttons when you are editing. It's where you put a small summary of what you just edited on the page (Not strictly necessary, but often useful).
GrampaSwood (talk) 07:01, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Most helpful user with my wiki editing

Wikichievement	Awarded by	Reason
Helping Hand Help other users to improve the Team Fortress Wiki with constant tips and coordination.	Lexzach	Wikichievement unlocked! Where do I even start? Grampa Swood has by far been the most helpful user helping me with the Wiki. Anytime I had any sort of question, yes even the really stupid ones, they would either tell me how to do what I was trying to accomplish, or told me about the resources on the Wiki that explain how to do it, that I would have never found by myself. I can say beyond any doubt that if it were not for Swood, I would not be even close to the knowledge or editing capability of the Wiki that I currently am at (or not even doing Wiki editing at all). The Wiki hit the nail on the head by making Swood a staff member of the Wiki, as they are an amazing mentor and someone to fall back to for assistance with the Wiki. tysm Swood!

Lexzach (talk) 14:20, 24 June 2021 (UTC)