User talk:GrampaSwood

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-- WelcomeBOT (talk) 14:10, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Trivia edit

why did you edit that out, it wasnt wrong PikaWarrior1222 (talk) 16:08, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi there,

The piece of Trivia is XofY trivia, which is not valid Trivia as you are comparing the % of players that have achieved said achievement to the other ones. This Trivia is also quick to be outdated, as other achievements can take that title away at any time. See the Trivia help guide for more information on what is and isn't Trivia.
GrampaSwood (talk) 16:12, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

ok, but maybe tell people things before deleting every edit they make. PikaWarrior1222 (talk) 16:13, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I did, every undo has an edit summary that explains why the edit was undone.
GrampaSwood (talk) 16:16, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

you kinda being a dictator

PikaWarrior1222 (talk) 19:07, 25 May 2023 (UTC)i've got an honest question: do you have a life

What's the point in being rude over a few simple edits? What you added was a baseless claim and directly goes against Valve's video policy.
GrampaSwood (talk) 19:09, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

PikaWarrior1222 (talk) 19:21, 25 May 2023 (UTC)no this is an honest question bc you are always online. like, is someone paying you or something? im genuinely curious

I don't think that's any of your business.
GrampaSwood (talk) 19:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

PikaWarrior1222 (talk) 19:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC) ok (also dude calm down)

I'm not upset or anything at all, however, I suggest taking undos less personally and trying to learn from them instead of calling people dictators and asking them if they have a life. You may end up blocked for that kind of behaviour.
GrampaSwood (talk) 19:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Mistaken page edit

Apologies for the "Anti-Scout strategies" page edits, I did not realise it was referring to the Classic TF2. Dule (talk) 14:47, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

No worries, I get the confusion. An easy way to see if it's about TF Classic or TF2 is to see if the page has "(Classic)" in the name.
GrampaSwood (talk) 14:48, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Wasn't Trying to start an edit war.Sorry!

HI,

I didn't know what an edit war was until a couple of hours ago; my main concern for the page was readability. I thank you for making the page more aligned with the wiki. I added some minor spacing that I thought you missed, if that's ok.

HostileBadger (talk) 18:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC) Hostile Badger 6/24

The template:sp

Hi there, I've made some slight changes on your template:
In general, when different numbers (from 0~2) are put into the template, the text will be different, too.
What's your opinion towards this change?
Draft space: User:BEUFK/Template:sp01
Sincerely,
--BEUFK - Contributions-Talk 10:19, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

It's more about the warning level/image, it doesn't necessarily need to have different text.
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:32, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

However, the Wikipedia uses different warning texts in different warning grades. Personally, It's quite useful to warn those users who keep on ignoring others' words
Link: w:Template:Uw-vandalism1 --BEUFK - Contributions-Talk 11:02, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

{{Sp2}}
GrampaSwood (talk) 11:13, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Maybe a combination of those template is needed.--BEUFK - Contributions-Talk 11:59, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's necessary, if they need more guidance a manual message is best.
GrampaSwood (talk) 12:03, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

OK, I will keep the draft in my userspace until the further instructions are given. Thanks for your patience!--BEUFK - Contributions-Talk 12:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Self nomination.

Hello Swood, I noticed some time ago that nomination for wiki caps had changed to function in the absence of nominators.

A friend of mine suggested that I ask you about a potential self nomination, I do not know if I fit all factors for eligibility however when it comes to edits and such tho.

Let me know your thoughts. and tips their hat Luno 🪐🌕 Talk / Contributions / Team 02:11, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

You unfortunately don't meet the minimum edit requirements, however, Thedop is an experienced editor and if he feels like you're worthy he can always nominate you.
GrampaSwood (talk) 19:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I will let him know. Luno 🪐🌕 Talk / Contributions / Team 20:02, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

April Fools template

Hey, please take a look at Template talk:April Fools. Thanks in advance.
Tiagoquix (talk) 09:56, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Bots in Saxton Hale mode

According to the July 20, 2023 Patch, "TF_Bots now function in Versus Saxton Hale", which means that at the time I made this edit, I was correct. Obviously, I'm not anymore, but I was. Dogman15 (talk) 22:47, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 23:02, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Oops

You probably will need to fix the Saxton Hale health chart you made; for entry 25, I typoed 27000 as 29000. 27000 is the correct value and I have double-checked the rest of the values I entered to make sure there aren't any other errors. Probably a good thing you made that graph too, the weird spike that didn't match my chart made me check.

The chart in question is this one: https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/File:Saxton_Hale_health_chart.png

Mrs L (talk) 16:19, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll change it, let me know if anything else is wrong.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 16:26, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Page prioritization

Greetings, again. I'm almost done with the preliminary work on game terms, titles, etc., and theoretically I can start doing at least something next week.

I remember in the FAQ that I recommend that translators focus their attention on the "most important pages" to start with - the main menu, the most visited pages, etc. And leave rarely visited pages for the very end.

Is there a list, a table, a ranking of the most important/most visited pages so that I can create a guideline? Thanks.

--FIRUIN (talk) 08:51, 27 July 2023 (UTC) FIRUIN

I don't think there is one list of most important pages. The Dutch translation page has one that I generally would recommend to people, that being weapons first (Stock weapons -> achievement reward weapons -> other weapons), cosmetic items second (I would start with the newest cosmetics first), major updates, maps, achievement pages, small updates, then from there it's whatever.

Also do note that you should use the tf_ukrainian.txt to find all the translations possible rather than making your own. We've had some discussion in the Staff channel and we're not entirely sure yet where these translations should go.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 10:10, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, yes, I remember about the correspondence of the names, thanks for reminding me about the existence of this file, I almost forgot. Ha ha.

There's a little problem with the last items because they're not translated yet, so I'll leave them for later.

And as for posting them, I'll probably post them from my page like User:FIRUIN/Sсout/uk. This way I can show what I can do and, if necessary, they can be simply copied and pasted as the official translation of the page. At least I think so, I haven't quite figured out the technical part of this wiki yet.

In any case, it's better to spend more time preparing to meet the relevant standards.

--FIRUIN (talk) 10:55, 27 July 2023 (UTC) FIRUIN

zh-hans translation for the chart.

The zh-hans translation for Saxton Hale health chart:
Saxton Hale health scaling ==> 萨克斯顿·霍尔生命值变化表
Saxton Hale's health ==> 萨克斯顿·霍尔（初始）生命值
Mercenaries ==> 玩家数量
--BEUFK - Contributions-Talk 03:37, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Done.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 05:41, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

HalesOwnSandvich.jpg

I just wanted to say, sorry, I didn't intend to add that image anyway to the article - not really sure why I did, maybe as a personal archive and to warm up to uploading in general. I apologize for the confusion.-- Akolyth (talk) 23:01, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

It's fine, don't worry about it. If you have any questions about uploading, feel free to ask them.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 23:07, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Pelican Peak

Undarker (talk) 13:36, 1 August 2023 (UTC)Hello, thanks for the information provided! I changed everything, now everything should be correct (view if you want).

idea

Hello again! I had an idea. Maybe together we will edit the information on the maps? About Reckoner, I don't know what else to write in the map description. Undarker (talk) 12:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure either, the Workshop description is a good placeholder but generally they tend to be biased and not adhere to the neutral POV that the Wiki is supposed to adhere to. For example, Phoenix's Workshop description was very biased towards it and seemed to make it out as one of the greatest maps to exist.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 12:55, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Add map photos and map overview to koth_product, please

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Product_(competitive_custom_map) Slamm (talk) 04:08, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Seems like it already had map photos. If you want to add an overview, you have to name your file "Product (competitive custom map) overview.png".
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 10:22, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

DYK translation

There is now a fact "...that some cosmetic hats and bot heads from Mann vs. Machine are available on the Steam community marketplace for SteamVR?" on the main page in DYK, which is not translated into Russian. I've been trying all day to figure out how to translate it, but I still can't figure it out. Can you help with this question? Maybe I should just add the Russian version of it to the facts list?
When trying to edit dyk-mp-96, I get redirected to Template:Dictionary/common_strings#Did_you_know..., but I don't have permission to edit it. — DanteDevil (talk) 17:17, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Only autoconfirmed users can edit it, you should get access automatically after a while, just make sure to check on it once in a while.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 18:11, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Giftapult

That bug has been in the game so long I really began to think it was intentional like to tease free users, but... nah. Source spaghetti as usual. And I was lazy but I have footage I'll upload soon.™ Just surprised no one noticed it before.-- Akolyth (talk) 10:12, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

How do I upload photos?

I wanted to ask, because I genuinely have 0 clue. I've looked, but I think I looked in the wrong pages. Do I make a new page with it, or something? Hope you answer soon :) --Payn (talk) 22:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

This page here, remember to include a license and the appropriate categories. If you struggle with the appropriate categories, try checking similar images to see what they have.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 23:09, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

A question

Should tfwiki record the previous information of a weapon?
Some wiki-readers has requested to add the previous attributes of Baby Face's Blaster on zh-hans translation. --祝编安/Best Regards
||| BEUFK the nonsense - contrib. - have a talk 00:00, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

If we were going to do that, we'd need to have all the iterations of all weapons somewhere first. If you can gather them for all weapons first (I recommend getting others to do it too) we can start making a dedicated section or some kind of change to the existing page.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 00:25, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

That one tree in skirmish you can't wallclimb

Hey GrampaSwood I can't stop but wonder why you deleted the video I uploaded showcasing the bug, after you asked me to give proof? The American Boot (talk) 20:32, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

The proof only needs to be provided once, the video was rather large so it's not necessary for it to stay on the Wiki and it already served its purpose, so I deleted it (I kept the bug on the page, as it's verified). If you want the video to be on the Wiki, I would suggest uploading it to YouTube and putting that on the page instead.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 20:47, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

French version of Saxton Hale health chart

Hi,

I wanted to translate your graph, but I saw your message. Is it possible to translate with the following:

• "Saxton Hale's health" => "Santé de Saxton Hale"
• "Mercenaries" => "Mercenaires"
• "Saxton Hale health scaling" => "Santé de Saxton Hale par rapport au nombre de mercenaires"

Thank you!

SpyAmogus (talk) 17:17, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Done.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 17:26, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Translation progress poisoning

Hello Swood, as you know, each translation team has a translation progress table showing the work done on "main" categories. This is very useful because it is possible to compare between the /fr and English categories and keep both synchronized; however, due to this nature, some categories end up holding "untranslatable" pages and such. I have previously discussed the topic with Mikado. This is one of the reasons why loc teams such as /ru will never reach the 100% mark; some pages just cannot be translated and have no purpose being localized. Examples include Category:Official maps, Category:Images by map, Category:Custom maps unreleased stubs/lang and Category:Lists to be expanded (and probably more). The easy fix would just be to remove them from the main categories, but I thought it could be seen as vandalism in a way. Your input would be appreciated. Sometimes other problems may arise, such as a User space page or a Sandbox page that might end up in categories. I personally think they do not belong there unless it's a User space category. Those are minor issues regardless.
Luno 🪐🌕 Talk / Contributions / Team 02:49, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Well if you see a User page in a non-User category, then feel free to remove it from the category (preferably by adding a colon before, such as [[:Category:Weapons]]), as for removing them from the main category they're automatically added there via a bot from Darkid. You'd best ask Darkid for some kind of solution for this.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 10:40, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

I see, as for the others I've listed, none of them were categorized by a bot; it was all manual, unless you mean that removing the Lists category from Category:Lists to be expanded for exemple, would have it added back immediately by a bot?
Luno 🪐🌕 Talk / Contributions / Team 15:20, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

(EDIT) Maybe you meant the table itself, as in Darkid could help in that way, like adding a sort of whitelist? That could help too, although the offending pages would still show up in category comparison, which is also not a big problem.
Luno 🪐🌕 Talk / Contributions / Team 15:35, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Ah I misunderstood, it's much simpler, using the "pagesincategory" magic word you can simply subtract the amount of categories it shouldn't track. Not entirely sure how to do that (I took a look at the template code and it's quite complicated) so I would ask Darkid for help on that.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 15:44, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

What about categories that were "translated" but remain (and might always remain) empty? Like this one Category:Official_maps/ru, of which even the English category is empty.
Luno 🪐🌕 Talk / Contributions / Team 16:54, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

These should probably be deleted, along with the English one.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 17:09, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch, Swood. I'll mark them for deletion. To summarize, I should contact Darkid for the other categories so that we can keep those marked in the main categories. I personally would have just removed the category from them so that they don't show up in there since I believe they were sufficiently accessible without them.
Luno 🪐🌕 Talk / Contributions / Team 17:45, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘You should ask him if he can figure out how to subtract a certain number from the total amount of pages in the category. These categories are kept for maintenance reasons so they should be kept in there, this solution is much more dynamic.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 18:04, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree with you; I'll get in touch with him soon. I've also marked some stuff for deletion, and speaking of which, it seems someone needs to get on it; the marked for deletion category is getting stuffy 😦.
Luno 🪐🌕 Talk / Contributions / Team 18:11, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Types of translatable strings

Hello! I am currently translating some pages in romanian and based on the comments I recieved on my edits I'm trying to use {{}} type links rather than [[]] type links. However, in order to use these links I need to know where in the Template Dictionary the thing I am linking to is found. You told me about 'item link', 'update link', 'item name', 'item kind' and 'item description' so I was wondering if there was a list of all categories. For example I cannot add a 'Mannpower' link because the gamemode doesn't belong in those categories. I also wanted to thank you for helping me learn about the translation guidelines! --Lord of Dominating (talk) 16:27, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

It should be visible on the actual template page, for example {{item name}}. If you edit this page, it shows "dictionary/items/" in the code, that is where they are located. This should work for every template. If not, feel free to ask here which ones.

That I know of, item link/name uses Template:Dictionary/items, {{Map link}}/{{Map name}} uses Template:Dictionary/common strings#map names, and {{Common string}} uses Template:Dictionary/common strings. Let me know if you find any more you want to know.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 17:02, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Question about a patch

I have a small question about the 6|28|2011 patch for the Persian Persuader. I don't understand what the patch actually did so I don't know how to translate it. This is the patch in question: 'Added/Refined recoil/draw/crit/reload forces for the Persian Persuader.' Was the strenght of this weapon's knockback increased or was the animation changed? Or was it something else entirely. Thanks for the help, -Lord of Dominating (talk) 19:14, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure but I believe it's animation.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 19:26, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

I'd say its animation, I doubt volvo would have increased knockback force without listing it somewhere in the stats, unless by some weird spaghetti code the knockback force was nerfed somehow. I assume because Demoman holds the Persian Persuader like the bottle, the animations looked weird compared to the other swords, so they changed it. Payn (talk) 00:00, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Moving pages

Hey, I wanted to ask how you move pages or images to other pages? I see the move log, and I've wondered how they work. Payn (talk) 04:28, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

More (top right of screen) > move. Keep in mind that a wrong move that needs to be undone is usually very messy, so if you're not 100% sure you should ask on the talk page first. Do note that every move you do creates a redirect, which needs to be marked for deletion.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 09:41, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Help request for translation LUT for itemboxes

Hi! I am currently working on a LUT for itemboxes because I am currently reworking all the german pages because they are outdated. Long-story short I see how active you are and that you are also a semi-retired dutch translator. Could you do me a favor and please have a look at the LUT and check if the nl-version is correct? Thank you so much in advance for your time! CampeR (talk) 08:56, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

These are all correct except Mk.I and Mk.II, the K isn't capitalised. Also note that "verfeestelijkte" is only used if there's an item name after it (e.g. "verfeestelijkte knuppel" meaning festivized bat, there are some exceptions to this though), otherwise "verfeestelijkt" is used. "Roestige" is also not used for every item, the Sniper Rifle and Knife being the 2 exceptions (as well as generic "rust botkiller" translation). I noticed that on your Soda Popper edit, the "verfeestelijkte" should be "verfeestelijkt" as there is no item name after it.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 10:31, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Understood, will change the page as well as the LUT accordingly. Thank you so so so much for your help. Massivly appreciate it! CampeR (talk) 11:10, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you

I am not a bright person, thank you grampaswood for helping me with the image, i am often not smart about basic things. Rzzor (talk) 19:23, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

It's fine, don't worry, man people get it wrong.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 19:35, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Question about a Template

Hi! I was translating the page for the Lawnmaker cosmetic in Romanian but stumbled upon a template in the notes section that I don't know how to translate. This is the template in question: No Paint Diff|stylediff=Waterlogged Lab Coat|stylename=Job . Is there a place when I can put a "/ro" or must I use "l1=translation" ? The French translation left it untranslated so I don't know how to approach it. Thanks for the help, - Lord of Dominating (talk) 22:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

{{No Paint Diff}} <- edit this. Templates often contain translations on the page itself.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 22:34, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Is there a page that contains a list for all of these templates so that I may check it out if I ever find another untranslated one? -Lord of Dominating (talk) 22:49, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Everything within {{ }} is a template, and can be edited by visiting its respective page, which is "Template:text inside the brackets" (example: Template:No Paint Diff). - BrazilianNut (talk) 23:02, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

See this category, also see this page for a list of templates that are missing Romanian translations. Note that you're better off translating templates when they pop-up without translation, as some of these use strings from different places (such as the dictionary).
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 23:08, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Question about a patch

I'm currently translating the SMG page in Romanian and I found a patch witch I don't understand. This is the patch in question: "Added community contributed response rules to the SMG." What are community response rules? Thank you for your help as always -Lord of Dominating (talk) 13:29, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

IIRC response rules are when a character says voice lines, so it would be the critera that needs to be met for certain voice lines to play (for the SMG that would only be 1 line, see Sniper responses.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 14:30, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Redirect not working

I was updating the translation for the Left 4 Dead games and ran into a problem. For whatever reason, the Romanian Left 4 Dead 1 page is inaccessible and always redirects to the Left 4 Dead 2 page. Both pages were already created but the one for Left 4 Dead 1 contained information about Left 4 Dead 2. How do I fix this problem? -Lord of Dominating (talk) 20:23, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Visit this page.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 20:58, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

About the store payment premium method

I forgot to write it in the edit summary, but since the Mann Co. Store also includes the listings of SCM items such as cosmetic and warpaint cases, some players assume that this is still considered buying from the store. This also includes the fact that they are often told to buy the cheapest item, as we know most items bought from the store isn't exactly worth the money spent. Yes, SCM items have the "On Market" tag and "View on Market" button, but I still think this issue occurs enough times to mention this. - ZappyTwo (talk) 16:36, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

When you buy it from the store it doesn't include listings from the SCM, but it redirects you there. It also specifically mentions it's "on market", it's not really our responsibility to help people read tags that already exist.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 16:42, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

"community-created"

For wiki pages like Freight and Turbine, I'm not entirely sure we should make the "community-created" text link to the Steam Workshop page, since these maps weren't contributed through the workshop.

Mariosonic500 (talk) 22:39, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

This is also done on cosmetic items that were added pre-Workshop (e.g. Troublemaker's Tossle Cap). The only other link that could be used is the Contribution page, which is simply a redirect to the Steam Workshop once the Workshop replaced it (looking at the history of the page, it also appears to be very similar to the current Workshop page).
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 22:56, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Image Sourcing

Hi, I was just wondering where you got the thumbnail image for the Unused Content page. PikaWarrior1222 (talk) 18:51, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

This blog post.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 19:03, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Russian description of item availability on Romanian pages

I noticed while creating a page for the Fireproof Secret Diary that the item table template translates the "Drop" description in the availability section in Russian on Romanian articles. I didn't notice this two days ago so it must be a recent change. I believe someone edited the template and accidentally wrote ru instead of ro somewhere. I don't know where this template is located or who oversees it so I thought the best solution was to contact you. Lord of Dominating (talk) 09:04, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Update, the issue has been fixed. Lord of Dominating (talk) 11:38, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Kind of. Still have to include the /ro translation. - BrazilianNut (talk) 12:00, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

I translated the entire section it should work now. Lord of Dominating (talk) 12:38, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Zombie Infection edits

Hey! I saw your changes, and I feel like I failed to properly articulate what I was TRYING to say, so I will write here what I was trying to say so you could write it down for me in a clearer manner. What I was trying to get to with when I was mentioning the Beggars was the fact that with the Beggars, you can shoot rockets at the same rate as stock without having to reload, due to the Beggar's drawing from the reserve ammo. As such, it is perfect for those situation where you need a rocket at all times, which is almost every moment in ZI. I hope this makes sense, and I hope you can write this into the strategy page better than I did :) Payn (talk) 02:28, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh, another thing. With the Scout Zombies doing the same damage as a standard melee attack, I know this is true, however I'm not sure how I'd find the source in the code. I see that other sources seem to show file directories, however when I search for it I cannot find it. Can you explain this to me? I'd like to know.— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Payn (talk) • (contribs) 04:50 CET, 13 October 2023‎

Remember to sign all your comments.

The VScript files are contained in maps themselves, using GCFScape you can extract the .zip file contained in the .bsp files of maps. In the scripts folder, VScript files can be found. I've added a note already about the base damage, but Scout's weapon is the Heavy's fists with a different viewmodel. The Bat itself does 35 damage instead of that being a natural Scout trait, hence why it's not added as a passive.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 11:03, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry about posting the Zombie Infection video incorrectly.

Yeah, I admit I screwed up there. You mentioned that it's best to post videos like that to the Youtube channel. In case a similar situation happens again in the future, how exactly do I do that?

Also, where should I go if I want to learn how to dig through the game's files to help add assets to the wiki? Carver (talk) 02:58, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, it's not like there is a place that mentions videos like that should be uploaded to the YouTube channel first. I'm not exactly sure where to get these intro video files, but I've made a guide here on how to access several different parts of the game files.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 10:52, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry

I meant the Nunhood edit desc as a joke, I really mean it. :^( Forgive me if I ever don't come across as silly. I do get embarrassed easily though, which often conflicts with my urges at times to contribute something, and then cringey quirks take over.-- Akolyth (talk) 21:42, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

It's fine, just be careful with sarcasm over internet. You'd be surprised how upset people can get over Wiki edits.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 23:10, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Updated Demonic Dome scout image

I hope this one fairs better than last?

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/File:Scout_Demonic_Dome.png Cheddar (talk) 17:25, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

It's an improvement, however, the AA is still very low. Was this image made with loadout.tf or HLMV? Cosmetic images should be made using HLMV, not loadout.tf
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 17:27, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

It was indeed done in HLMV

https://imgur.com/a/gxeCAYn

Cheddar (talk) 17:28, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

That's better, although the anti-aliasing is still quite low. I believe the fix to this is somewhere in Help:Model Viewer. Also remember to use {{classimg}} correctly, it should be formatted as {{subst:classimg|[classname]}}, replacing [classname] with the class' name (in this case, Scout).
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 17:31, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Alright I'll see if I can sort out the AA issue, and then reupload it, thank you

Cheddar (talk) 17:33, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Is the updated version better for the AA?

Cheddar (talk) 17:56, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Seems so, although the cropping leaves a slight black outline around the image. Also, make sure to indent your talk page entries.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 18:01, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Uploaded another version, I hope this fixes the outline?

Cheddar (talk) 18:24, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Should be fine, but the images still need to be cropped on the sides.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 19:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

By how much?
Cheddar (talk) 19:38, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

It needs to not have any space on the sides, currently the border of the image stretches beyond the Scout's arms, for example.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 19:42, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

On the scout I cropped closer to the arms, if thats what you mean
Cheddar (talk) 19:46, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

That should be good, yes.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 19:49, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Lovely, is there anything else I may have missed?
Cheddar (talk) 19:51, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

The Demoman image was spelled incorrectly, but otherwise not really anything.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 19:54, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Alright, Thank you for your help.
Cheddar (talk) 19:58, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Roaming Roman

I admit, I had a difficult morning but seeing your edit description was somehow hilarious and helped me feel better, thank you. Maybe I'm just going crazy like Soldier.-- Akolyth (talk) 17:54, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Have you checked the water recently?.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 18:12, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

nickname colors in tf2 wiki

what do the nickname colors mean in tf2 wiki?— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yellow ship (talk) • (contribs) 2023-10-24, 14:34 UTC

Remember to sign your comments using ~~~~.

In the Recent Changes list? Purple/pink (although you won't see these by default) is a bot, yellow is a Staff member (moderator/administrator), red is someone who hasn't made a user page yet, and blue is just a regular user (although their names may become grey if you have clicked on it, like a regular link).
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 14:34, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I have pink nickname color or something like this.— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yellow ship (talk) • (contribs) 2023-10-24, 14:54 UTC

Again, remember to add ~~~~ at the end of your posts.

The pink colour is probably from the fact that you clicked on your own name, which changes it from red to a lighter red.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 14:54, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

October 27, 2023 Patch

Hello, GrampaSwood! October 27 patch was translated to RU and ZH-HANS. When switching from the English page to them, everything works, but when switching from October 19 from RU or ZH-HANS, a non-existent page on October 28 is displayed. How to fix it?

DrotEroNoxt (talk) 06:53, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I have fixed it, you can see how by check the history.Profiteer（奸商）the tryhard (talk) 08:05, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

File:Hunstmanpyro.png vs File:Huntsmanpyroland.jpg

Which version is better? I put the former in Pyroland gallery, but the file difference is huge (3MB vs 53 Kb), and I'm not sure which lighting is better. The latter looks fine close up, but not so much when seeing the preview on the gallery un-clicked. I'm thinking of just optimizing and shrinking the first, but you be the judge.-- Akolyth (talk) 15:59, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Filesize is not much of a concern, you can keep the .png version. Remember to add categories.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 18:51, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

However, I just noticed, this image feels like it was upscaled using AI, so probably a better image is needed.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 19:55, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Confusing copyright text

Hello there.
My recent edits are intended to clarify the confusion that the copyright texts pertaining to "media" and "screenshot" cause.
For instance, see User:Tiagoquix/Sandbox.
Here we have "ExtractTF2" and "ScreenshotTF2".
With "ExtractTF2", I think the average reader would infer that the image/video is extract directly from the game files.
And, with "ScreenshotTF2", the average reader would infer it was done by a community member.
The problem here is that there isn't actually a category that explicitly mentions "video".
But I imagine that reverting just my last edit is enough, while the rest remains OK in their current form.
Tiagoquix (talk) 23:13, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

That's odd, because media should not necessarily mean extract. I was under the impression this was for a Valve-related box anyways, not TF2 (due to the name). Feel free to revert, although I don't believe it's entirely necessary because there are very rarely any GIFs made from in-game content (the other ones are ArtworkTF2 because they're Workshop images). Also be careful with putting stuff like those licenses on your User space pages, as they do include categories which should not be on User space.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 23:18, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

A bit demoralized

I'll be honest, sometimes it seems the rules are a bit too tight. I understand and very much appreciate that TF2 Wiki holds itself to a high quality standard compared to other fan wikis. especially when you consider the number of kids that flood this game, particularly years ago. I imagine that otherwise, a looser ship would be filled with illegible speculation and hogwash. However,with the Roar O War for instance, that beta names not fitting Trivia is an example at this point of TF2's life is just a tad excessive to where it stifles the mission of the Wiki. When was the last time we had Valve-made content? All we have left of nitty gritty stuff that IS allowed is scraping the barrel. And again, in context of this game and what's been studied to death and what Valve is doing (or isn't doing, I should say, it tempts me to ask myself what I'm doing sometimes. I was never adept at much "hard STEM" matters like tedious coding. I've always been more on the artistic side and I love this game to death, but with current conditions, for someone who likes and is soothed by editing this wiki, there just isn't much meat on the bone to pick. It's not exactly fun to flesh out community event pages from years ago either that i guess only a few people not involved in this wiki will ever read. At least item pages have a hypothetical stream of newcomers to be helped by new content. Forgive the tangent please, but I got it off my chest. Increasingly it just seems like the current state of the Wiki feels outdated to the reality of the game, and that hinders the editor experience, if not discouraging of others. Thanks for reading.-- Akolyth (talk) 20:04, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Agreed, though item names may not be valid Trivia regardless.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 20:13, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Barring any surprises or miracles, there seems to be a consensus among fans that Valve's plan the past few years and going forward is to have Halloween and Smissmas community updates, with maybe a Summer Update too, and sparse bugfixes inbetween. All community, with Eric Smith and 1-2 contractors to keep the lights on and duct-tape the leaky holes. TF2 post-Jungle Inferno is a de facto Community game, and I think the Wiki should try to realize this at some point, because Valve is Valve.-- Akolyth (talk) 20:34, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

I think the issue with pre-release Trivia was mostly that it was to stop Trivia like "this cosmetic was uploaded together with x cosmetic as a set" (assuming the other cosmetic didn't get in the game). Another point of concern may have been that usually item creators are a lot less professional than Valve, there are still times where a Workshop creator can be found intentionally wanting false Trivia uploaded to the Wiki by lying to people who ask about it, so it may have been to stop that.

Another possibility is that it's simply a broad ban because of several types of Trivia that fell under the "pre-release" Trivia umbrella and they decided to just ban all of it rather than have to make a case-by-case judgement, similarly to XofY trivia.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 21:07, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

The problem regarding Workshop-trivia was ultimately because creators are free to put any names and descriptions on their items, including names that Valve are unable to accept due to copyright reasons or other reasons. We also had a couple items in the past that had way too many trivia bullet points on their articles, all related to information that was only found in the Workshop page, and not in the actual game, which is what most players are going to "see" the item, and what it ultimately feels more "official", at least to me... which leads to my last point. The Workshop-trivia are solely found on the Workshop's item page, and NOT in TF2-itself, in-game, when you are playing TF2. In the "actual game" can represent:

• A hidden thing on the texture (even if it's not actually visible in-game, because the texture got accepted to the game);
• An unused content that managed to get into the game files, and had a meaning behind (like the Bonesaw (map) unused axe). This wouldn't fall as "Trivia", but it's still information on the article itself;
• The name itself (if the reference is confirmed by the creators and isn't a name modification made by Valve);
• The description (if there's any).

I was the person who came forward regarding these types of trivia and if they should really be on the pages, then, after some discussion, it was decided that no future ones should be added and existing ones should be removed. Nowadays, I'm also unsure in regards to additions of Workshop thumbnails, because it can fall under the same problem. I was also the person who uploaded a lot of missing Workshop thumbnails back in the day, but that was mostly because several items already had workshop thumbnails on their pages. It was a matter of "it was something done before so let's continue doing it, for consistency's sake", but if those should be removed (after a proper discussion is made), that's fine by me. Workshop thumbnails can, however, show animated previews of some items, like the Flatliner, so it's not always a problem, and so far, we haven't had really problematic Workshop thumbnails. - ▪ - 21:55, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Workshop Trivia itself would still not be allowed, as it's not about the item but about the Workshop page. Any information on the development of the item itself (e.g. "this cosmetic was going to feature a headset but was cut due to time restraints" or "this item was originally planned to be for x") would be valid Trivia if this rule was removed. Trivia about the Workshop page would fall under 2 rules basically, one that bans Trivia that's unrelated to the item (in this case, it would be about the Workshop) and one that specifically bans Trivia about the Workshop page (I mostly added this as the first one didn't seem to very clearly convey this and ppl would still add publicity blurb or Workshop thumbnail Trivia).
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 22:06, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Gabriel, do you think ultimately that such rules should be tweaked in light of the state of the game in the past years? I want the best for the wiki and I admire a professional appearance, and I know there's a lot of work that isn't about "interesting" stuff and old neglected articles to care for, but sometimes it really feels like there are articles that are bare-bones where they shouldn't be (to that extent). I think users should come to the wiki not only knowing more about their beloved game, but eager to read more without feeling like they're at an art gallery.-- Akolyth (talk) 22:19, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

An example I just saw: Cyborg Stunt Helmet. In the description, it references "Famous robot actor Kirk RoboDouglas". Under current Trivia rules, while this reference is so obvious it isn't even obvious because it's literally the name of the Golden Age Hollywood actor with a prefix (also see "Hall of RoboPresidents" at Strontium Stove Pipe), I have to go and ask Zipfinator, Gadget or Square, if this is a reference to that actor, when they often don't even open comments or take friend requests. It's a gamble every time. And I'm going to look like a lunatic if I ask "is Kirk RoboDouglas really Kirk Douglas"? And to my knowledge, Valve wrote these corny descriptions anyway for this early 2010s period, and there's no way Eric Smith, the only real active dev, is gonna waste his less-than-minimal time answering my trivia emails either. So in effect, what happens is that ESL and other Wiki readers are deprived of knowledge, and articles are more bare for no reason except these archaic rules that haven't gotten the memo Valve treats one of the most iconic series in gaming like an orphan locked in the basement. I've tried for ages to look from all angles and I still strongly believe something needs to be changed for the better. It's not 2014 anymore, as much as I wish it was. :( I just want things to flourish, organized but still vibrant.-- Akolyth (talk) 03:57, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘I linked a discussion above about the Workshop trivia. About the references, though, if it's some like "Kirk RoboDouglas" it's literally the guy's name. It wouldn't need confirmation, because it's not "obvious" it's straight up just the guy's name. Unless there are like 5+ actors with the same name, you wouldn't need Trivia for that. Hall of RoboPresidents is a lot less obvious to me, it is the name of an attraction irl but it also sounds like a very generic place where you can see all US presidents (similarly to "hall of fame"). There are plenty of examples where stuff that was so obvious turned out not to be obvious. Big example, so many people called the Shortness Of Breath an Opposing Force reference, which it turned out not to be. Many people called the Fire Fighter a reference to Ryu from Street Fighter, which it turned out not to be. The TF2Maps 72hr Jam 2018 medal design obviously looks like the Shine sprites from Super Mario Sunshine, yet it's not a reference. The Safety Stripes and Firearm Protector were apparently obvious references to Final Combat, but it turned out they weren't. These rules weren't made in 2014, these were established ~3-4 years ago to prevent false Trivia from being added (this was a complaint often seen made by Workshop creators). It's impossible to distinguish something being "obvious", so these rules are here to stay, no matter how unfortunate that might be.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 12:45, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Akolyth, the problem is that, we either apply to the rules to all pages, or we don't apply any rules at all (the former is what we are doing right now). Having a few pages where this rule isn't applied feels very arbitrary. Some pages just won't have that many trivia because there's simply no trivia about them. Adding information just for the sake to keep the pages more populated isn't the ideal way. Not every item's look is a pop culture reference or reference to another media, and despite that we can't really get in contact with Valve regarding their items, we at least can try with Workshop creators. This can be a good thing, because often there's fan-wikis out there with piles or piles of uninteresting trivia (many of them have XofY types of trivia). I have asked politely to a lot of creators where they confirmed whether or not a trivia was valid, or asking the purpose behind an unused content (Bonesaw (map)) or hidden polygon (Der Wintermantel). Sometimes it may take a while, but I did get responses from the majority of them, including Square. And, speaking of which, regarding what Swood said, another classic example is the Death Stare, we had a lot of people adding trivia information that the item was 100% a reference to Sir Daniel Fortesque from MediEvil, even adding images to the Gallery section with a Daniel render, but as it turns out, after I asked Square about it, the item was not designed around this character, it was a mix of a knight with a pirate theme. - ▪ - 13:36, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you both for the thoughtful replies, I really appreciate it~ My qualm admittedly wasn't with the "apparently obvious" rule per se, so much as it was stuff like beta community content for Trivia. With my example, I thought it wasn't something that could even be considered obvious, because it seemed like a plain statement rather than being "cheeky", I guess would be a useful term. But I know at that point things can become both subjective and redundant. And obrigado to Gabriel for the hopeful bit emphasizing patience with creators, because I have a habit of doubting myself a lot and not wanting to be an annoyance etc. and some users have seemed less open than others.-- Akolyth (talk) 05:26, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Engineer

Even though he's considered a defensive class by the game, I've also read and heard people over the years consider him more of a Support role (both in public and some comp settings). Whether that holds truth or not, I'm guessing that the original intent is what must be stuck to in style.-- Akolyth (talk) 22:07, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

With the exception of the Mini-Sentry, Engineer is pretty much a defensive class with support capabilities. Regardless of this, as long as the game classifies Engineer as a defence class we should too. Though this only applies to places where we talk about the class in general (for example, you can say Engineer can be good at offense, but you shouldn't say "Engineer is an offensive class").
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 22:15, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Meet the Pyro quote

If the music in the background makes it sound weird, then we should remove the Medic Quote too due to the MEDIC! song playing in the background right after the quote ends. ----Slimyboi500 (talk) 18:38, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it should be removed too. Ty for letting me know.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 19:10, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome, I guess.

----Slimyboi500 (talk) 23:38, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

GrampsTheWizard

Wikichievement	Awarded by	Reason
3D Wizard Create a 3D image for the 3D Models project.	Gabrielwoj	Wikichievement unlocked! Well, you shall receive one as well. Getting the 3D image creator program to work ain't an easy job, but you managed it! Your Shahanshah's 3D views are looking good! Hope to see more from ye.

- ▪ - 16:35, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm sure glad I was the one that made the program work and definitely not someone much more useful :^) Ty for the wikichievement!
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 16:36, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Well, you still ended up making it work on your own machine, and not just asking Darkid to do them. Some would probably give up half-way through, but not ye. I also helped with disabling the blinking lights on the Festivizers and other small troubleshoots. - ▪ - 16:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I forgot to mention you too. Not just that but also having the old version of HLMV++ that actually worked. Plus much much more knowledge about file locations etc. So big thanks to you too.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 16:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Wookichievement unlocked!

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You are now a certified cool guy™ in my book 😎 — Wookipan (talk | contribs) 21:32, 21 November 2023 (UTC)